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Record #15642
Name :
: Rger James HALL (1898 - )
  aka : James Rogers


Father
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Mother
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BMD and other details
Date of Birth
: 13 Mar 1898

Marriage (1)
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Marriage (2)
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Date of Death
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Abode (1) : Place of BirthEngland, Warwickshire, Birmingham

10 Sumer Grove, Summer Hill Street,
Abode (2) : Place of Death / Burial
Sailing Information
Date of Arrival
: 30 May 1914
Country
: Canada

Ship
: Carthaginian

Placement Family
: Various
Homes / Agencys
Institution (GB)
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Agency
: Middlemore
NotesHe was born Roger James Hall in Birmingham in 1898. His parents were Montague Hall and Eliza Hall formerly Boot, although I have to say there is no evidence that they were married, and in 1902 they parted company having travelled around England. They were from Derby, had a child in Bedford, two in Birmingham and one in Erith Kent. It may have been the death of this child in Kent which drove them apart. Thomas was just 6 months when he died and perhaps this was too much for them. Eliza headed north to Derby, pregnant with her last child and Montague stayed in Kent and married in 1906.

Eliza had a baby girl in the Derby Work House in the December of 1902. The events of the next few years are unclear. All the children were either in care or already apprenticed and Eliza was working as a domestic servant. They were taken back into care in 1913 because their mother was ?unfit to have control.? Roger and my grandfather were placed on a training ship down south, an option often used for troublesome children with a troubled past.

Montague and Eliza were not exactly model citizens. He had been hospitalized 20 times during his time in the army in the late 1880s and early ?90s and 6 of these were for sexually transmitted diseases, both were charged for drunken disorderly behaviour and attacking a policeman in 1894, and I get the sense that there was a dark shadowy side to her medical history.
Roger and it is unclear why did not go to the training ship and so instead went to Canada on the SS Carthaginian in the May of 1914. He was passed from the Guardians of the Derby Work House into the care of the Middlemore Homes and I guess went from Derby to their home in Birmingham and then on to Liverpool.

He was first placed in New Brunswick with a S V Griffith in Sheffield, Sudbury, N B during the March of 1915, and then on to Lottie Moffat in North Sydney, Cape Breton, N S by the June and finally with Duncan McMillan in Whycocomagh, Inverness, NS, where he last just two days before running off, changing his name to James Rogers and enlisting in the Canadian Army in the August at the age of 17. So far I have only been able to locate a possible site for the Moffatt farm.
His stay on these farms was not good, and the reports suggested that while he was good with children he could be lazy and wilful. But given his background this is perhaps not a surprise.
Likewise while with the 5th Battalion Canadian Mounted Rifles he underwent court martial four times between 1916 and ?18. According to the war diaries his unit saw action in the big and nasty engagements in Northern France.

He survived and in the 1920s was trying to get his sister, Laura Hall to join him. She left Britain in the November of 1925 on the SS Montclare. So the story goes he was now in British Columbia but she did not fancy the place and settled in Ottawa.

There is just one last possible reference to him in BC. In 1928 a James Rogers was awarded a land grant in the area west of 5th meridian but there the trail peters out.

There is however an intriguing reference to a James Rogers of the 5th Canadian Mounted Rifles who was buried in St Matthew on the Plain Churchyard, Plains Road, Burlington, Ontario on October 8 1957. At this point the military archives are unclear. My James Rogers fits the attestation papers, but the one buried in Ontario cannot be him because while my great uncle was born in 1898 this chap was born in 1878. 
ContributorsCreated : 2011-12-16 11:55:49 / From original database

Last Updated : 2012-01-01 11:59:31 /

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