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Record #15642

Name :: : Rger James HALL (1898 - )
aka : James Rogers
Father: :
Mother: :

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Date of Birth: : 13 Mar 1898
Marriage (1): :
Marriage (2): :
Date of Death: :

Abode (1) : Place of BirthEngland, Warwickshire, Birmingham

10 Sumer Grove, Summer Hill Street,

Abode (2) : Place of Death / Burial

Sailing Information

Date of Arrival: : 30 May 1914
Country: : Canada
Ship: : Carthaginian
Placement Family: : Various

Homes / Agencys

Institution (GB): :
Agency: : Middlemore

NotesHe was born Roger James Hall in Birmingham in 1898. His parents were Montague Hall and Eliza Hall formerly Boot, although I have to say there is no evidence that they were married, and in 1902 they parted company having travelled around England. They were from Derby, had a child in Bedford, two in Birmingham and one in Erith Kent. It may have been the death of this child in Kent which drove them apart. Thomas was just 6 months when he died and perhaps this was too much for them. Eliza headed north to Derby, pregnant with her last child and Montague stayed in Kent and married in 1906.

Eliza had a baby girl in the Derby Work House in the December of 1902. The events of the next few years are unclear. All the children were either in care or already apprenticed and Eliza was working as a domestic servant. They were taken back into care in 1913 because their mother was ?unfit to have control.? Roger and my grandfather were placed on a training ship down south, an option often used for troublesome children with a troubled past.

Montague and Eliza were not exactly model citizens. He had been hospitalized 20 times during his time in the army in the late 1880s and early ?90s and 6 of these were for sexually transmitted diseases, both were charged for drunken disorderly behaviour and attacking a policeman in 1894, and I get the sense that there was a dark shadowy side to her medical history.
Roger and it is unclear why did not go to the training ship and so instead went to Canada on the SS Carthaginian in the May of 1914. He was passed from the Guardians of the Derby Work House into the care of the Middlemore Homes and I guess went from Derby to their home in Birmingham and then on to Liverpool.

He was first placed in New Brunswick with a S V Griffith in Sheffield, Sudbury, N B during the March of 1915, and then on to Lottie Moffat in North Sydney, Cape Breton, N S by the June and finally with Duncan McMillan in Whycocomagh, Inverness, NS, where he last just two days before running off, changing his name to James Rogers and enlisting in the Canadian Army in the August at the age of 17. So far I have only been able to locate a possible site for the Moffatt farm.
His stay on these farms was not good, and the reports suggested that while he was good with children he could be lazy and wilful. But given his background this is perhaps not a surprise.
Likewise while with the 5th Battalion Canadian Mounted Rifles he underwent court martial four times between 1916 and ?18. According to the war diaries his unit saw action in the big and nasty engagements in Northern France.

He survived and in the 1920s was trying to get his sister, Laura Hall to join him. She left Britain in the November of 1925 on the SS Montclare. So the story goes he was now in British Columbia but she did not fancy the place and settled in Ottawa.

There is just one last possible reference to him in BC. In 1928 a James Rogers was awarded a land grant in the area west of 5th meridian but there the trail peters out.

There is however an intriguing reference to a James Rogers of the 5th Canadian Mounted Rifles who was buried in St Matthew on the Plain Churchyard, Plains Road, Burlington, Ontario on October 8 1957. At this point the military archives are unclear. My James Rogers fits the attestation papers, but the one buried in Ontario cannot be him because while my great uncle was born in 1898 this chap was born in 1878.

ContributorsCreated : 2011-12-16 11:55:49 / From original database

Last Updated : 2012-01-01 11:59:31 /

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Surnames starting with: A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z 44 Entries

ID	Name	DOB	Place of birth	Arrivals & Ships	Dest.	Agency	Family links
19846	HALL, Ernest	1896	ENG,	May 1907 : Empress of Britain	CAN	Fegan Homes for Boys
12973	HALL, Albert D	1884	ENG,	Apr 1896 : Scotsman	CAN	Marchmont Homes (now Barnardos)
24919	HALL, Alfred	1900		Mar 1910 : Tunisian	CAN	Barnardos
17184	HALL, Alfred J	1897	ENG,	May 1911 : Tunisian	CAN	MacPherson Homes
24499	HALL, Annie	1895		Jun 1906 : Dominion	CAN	Barnardos
5768	HALL, Charles	1898	ENG, YKS, Sheffield	Oct 1910 : Sicilian	CAN	Barnardos
13964	HALL, Charles	1874	ENG,	Jul 1887 : Sarmatian	CAN	Canadian Catholic Emigration Committee
26502	HALL, Charles	1897	ENG,	Mar 1906 : Dominion	CAN	Barnardos
21181	HALL, Cyril Leslie	1912	IRL, WAT	Mar 1925 : Demosthenes	AUS	Fairbridge Homes
17248	HALL, Edith		ENG,	May 1902 : Numidian	CAN	Maria Rye
8377	HALL, Edith M	1909	ENG, SAL, Madeley	Sep 1923 : Minnedosa	CAN	Barnardos
14264	HALL, Edward	1890	ENG,	Sep 1898 : Numidian	CAN	Westminster Catholic Society
20381	HALL, Edward	1893	ENG,	Oct 1903 : Dominion	CAN	Barnardos
6975	HALL, Emma	1857	ENG,	Aug 1871 : Prussian	CAN	Maria Rye
23546	HALL, Eric	1920	ENG,	Mar 1928 : Benalla	AUS	Fairbridge Homes
26349	HALL, Eric	1920		Mar 1928 : Benalla	AUS	Fairbridge Homes
8568	HALL, Eric Carter	1890	ENG, LDN, London	Jul 1901 : Numidian	CAN	Barnardos
22993	HALL, Ernest	1896	ENG,	May 1907 : Empress of Britain	CAN	Fegan Homes for Boys
17081	HALL, Ernest William	1884	ENG, KEN, Canterbury	Mar 1903 : Canada	CAN	Barnardos
19984	HALL, Ernest William	1913	ENG,	Mar 1930 : Albertic	CAN	British Immigration and Colonisation Association
22816	HALL, Florence B	1886	ENG,	Sep 1898 : Dominion	CAN	Barnardos
17649	HALL, Francis	1900	ENG,	May 1911 : Tunisian	CAN	MacPherson Homes
4661	HALL, Frederick	1882	ENG,	Sep 1894 : Laurentian	CAN	Barnardos
12966	HALL, George William	1884	ENG,	Apr 1896 : Scotsman	CAN	Marchmont Homes (now Barnardos)
14464	HALL, Harold	1881	ENG,	1895 : - Unknown -	CAN	Marchmont Homes (now Barnardos)
22960	HALL, Harry	1891	ENG,	May 1906 : Empress of Britain	CAN	Fegan Homes for Boys
14525	HALL, Hector	1912	ENG,	Oct 1927 : Montclare	CAN	Crusade of Rescue
19053	HALL, Helen Louisa	1899	ENG,	Sep 1912 : Sicilian	CAN	Barnardos
6807	HALL, James	1864	SCT,	Jul 1875 : Waldensian	CAN	MacPherson Homes
14364	HALL, James	1887	ENG,	Sep 1898 : Numidian	CAN	Westminster Catholic Society
14438	HALL, John	1881	ENG,	Apr 1895 : Vancouver	CAN	Marchmont Homes (now Barnardos)
22398	HALL, Kathleen	1904	ENG,	Jun 1915 : Hesperian	CAN	Unknown Catholic Group
19087	HALL, Mabel Elizabeth	1899	ENG,	Sep 1912 : Sicilian	CAN	Barnardos
8367	HALL, Maggie	1873	ENG,	May 1889 : Assyrian	CAN	Charlotte Alexander
19893	HALL, Priscillia	1887	ENG,	Jun 1897 : Labrador	CAN	Barnardos
15642	HALL, Rger James	1898	ENG, WAR, Birmingham	May 1914 : Carthaginian	CAN	Middlemore
17627	HALL, Stanley	1894	ENG, , York Yorkshire	May 1901 : Dominion	CAN	Louisa Birt
14081	HALL, Thomas	1887	ENG,	Oct 1900 : Numidian	CAN	Canadian Catholic Emigration Committee
14024	HALL, Thomas W	1888	ENG,	Jul 1901 : Numidian	CAN	Barnardos
26769	HALL, Walter	1901	ENG, YKS, Sheffield	Oct 1910 : Sicilian	CAN	Barnardos
14498	HALL, William	1912	ENG,	Oct 1927 : Montclare	CAN	Barnardos
19370	HALL, William	1895	ENG,	Sep 1912 : Sicilian	CAN	Barnardos
25577	HILL, Dora	1900	ENG,	May 1909 : Corsican	CAN	Barnardos
6566	HULL, Andrew	1895	ENG,	May 1909 : Corsican	CAN	Louisa Birt
ID	Name	DOB	Place of birth	Arrivals & Ships	Dest.	Agency	Family links

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